obama's parents, working paycheck to paycheck. and then there's the washington democratic club, the corporate lawyers, the lobbyists, the wall streeters, like robert rubin and peter orszag." and i was wondering, as i watched, if obama wins reelection, which party goes back to the white house with him? the party of the country or the party of the club? >> well, we certainly hope it will be the party of the country, the party of 25 million americans without any jobs, the party of people struggling to keep their heads above water, the party of the people who want to see health care for all of us. but there is no question, bill, of the enormous impact that big money has, certainly on the republican party, but on the democratic party as well. and i fear very much that unless we galvanize public opinion, unless we create the kind of progressive grassroots movement the big money interest will continue to dominate. >> tell me how that money works. i mean, you've been on the inside 20-some-odd years, as i sit. how does it actually work? we